Trap-Neuter-Return on My Cat From Hell

Jackson Galaxy on TNR, as seen on My Cat From Hell.

As for the Trap-Neuter-Return piece of the Finn episode (season 3, episode 4), we did go out by her house and we did trap a cat.

It didn’t seem feral, that’s why we call them community cats, because whether they were quote “owned” by somebody, of it they’re free-roaming, they’re still out there and still our responsibility.

As with all of the cats you see on the show, we will send any un-neutered or un-spayed animal to Fix Nation where they graciously fixed every cat that we’ve sent their way, as they have for all of Greater Los Angeles’ strays.

We used the Havahart Trap.

It does highlight the issue that Lara didn’t believe there WAS a cat outside her door.

Not only is there one cat, there’s a whole COMMUNITY of cats out there.

They strive for invisibility.

One piece of the puzzle that we didn’t really talk about was that Lara had at some point, lost a cat to a coyote.   In her life and up in the Hollywood Hills, that was a very really possibility of that happening again.

So it was important that we round up these guys out there, as important as it was for us to keep Finn safe and inside.

  1. Woodsman   July 28, 2012 at 5:40 pm  

    Some further information to help you do the RIGHT thing. ALL the required laws that you need to deal with this problem are already in place and have been for decades most everywhere.

    Cats listed in THE TOP 40 WORST INVASIVE-SPECIES OF THE WORLD in the “Global Invasive-Species Database”: http://www.issg.org/database/species/ecology.asp?si=24&fr=1&sts=sss

    Cats are _NOT_ exempt from invasive-species laws.

    IT IS YOUR CIVIC AND MORAL RESPONSIBILITY TO DESTROY ANY INVASIVE-SPECIES WHEN FOUND AWAY FROM SUPERVISED CONFINEMENT AND OUT IN A NON-NATIVE HABITAT. In fact, it is against the law to NOT destroy an invasive-species on-site. Since cats are genetically engineered through selective-breeding and no longer have ANY native habitat ANYWHERE on earth, these laws include cats. This is precisely how they are dealt with on my own land, destroyed by using any and all humane methods** (see note). You also CANNOT make any distinction between stray and feral cats. STRAY CATS ARE THE VERY SOURCE OF FERAL CATS. If you don’t destroy the source as well you’ll never be rid of feral cats. They are BOTH the very same destructive, wildlife-destroying, deadly-disease spreading, INVASIVE SPECIES. NEITHER HAS ANY RIGHT TO BE AWAY FROM SUPERVISED CONFINEMENT.

    For an example of how invasive-species laws are properly followed and enforced: It is highly illegal for a person to transport an African Cichlid fish species to just the other side the road if you catch one in the canals of the Everglades when fishing. THEY MUST BE DESTROYED ON-SITE. Yet Cichlids are often kept as pets, that’s how they wrongly got into the canals to begin with. There are hefty fines in place for anyone found transporting these invasive-species alive if caught in the wild. (Interestingly, these Cichlids are FAR FAR LESS damaging to the environment and all other native wildlife than ANY cat.)

    All of this much to the dismay of criminally irresponsible and psychotic cat-lovers who are desperately trying to raise these invasive-species cats to some absurd level of “Community Cats”. If they do that then just raise “Community Pet Piranha” and release them in all your lakes and pools, or “Community Pet Black-Mambas” and release them in all your backyards and parks, then claim the exact same protections for them as cat-advocates want for their invasive-species cats. It’d only be fair! Are you starting to see just how absurd and ludicrous these cat-advocates are yet?

    ** (Though, to be perfectly honest, considering how cats cruelly torture and destroy all other animals by ripping the skins off of live animals or disemboweling them for slowly dying and twitching cats’ play-toys (not even using them for food), I’m not really sure why cats should be given the privilege of a humane death. I’ve been drawn to many animal screams in my woods to find their cats shredding another animal to death; which I had to then quickly put that animal out of its misery, torment, and suffering caused by that cat by having to stomp that poor suffering animal to death with my own boot. Lucky for those I found so fast from their screams. Other wildlife that I’d find days later had died a slow and agonizing death from wounds after being shredded by their cats. I guess I’m just more humane than all cat-lovers and their cats, that’s why their cats get shot and die instantly on my land — instead of equitably and justifiably tortured to death to put an end to the suffering of both cat and the wildlife that cats cruelly torture. If cat-advocates want REAL justice for their cats then any cat found outdoors would have to be cruelly tortured to death the same way their cats cruelly torture all other animals — something that I couldn’t do. Maybe that’s why TNR-advocates (trap, neuter, release programs) don’t mind that their cats slowly suffer to death by means of “attrition” — by disease, attacks, exposure, starvation, road-kill, etc., on ad-infinauseum. They have absolutely no problems in torturing animals, not even their own cats. They’re just like their cats.)

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    1. seybernetx   August 3, 2012 at 11:41 am  

      Another creationist. “Evolution is a lie! If G_D wanted cats in this neighborhood, he would have put them there when he created the place a few years ago.”

      Yes, I’m mocking you, Woodman. You’re the sort who watches a Disney movie and roots against the wolf because it is eevill, trying to eat that cute fawn.

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      1. Woodsman   August 3, 2012 at 8:26 pm  

        You never tire of proving to the world that you’re a moron, do you.

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        1. seybernetx   August 4, 2012 at 11:50 am  

          Woodman, I gotta admire your careful, well-reasoned response. Let me try to match you skill:

          Meow. Meow. Meeeoowwww…

          Face it, Woody. If you accept evolution, EVERY species is invasive, everywhere it shows up. That you are yammering about ‘invasive species’ tells me you reject evolution in favor of some creation myth, be it Norse tales of Odin and Ymir, Greek tales of Erebus and Zeus, or something else.

          Face it.

          Admit it.

          Deal with it.

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          1. Woodsman   August 5, 2012 at 12:56 am  

            Here’s my standard issue prepared reply for bible-home-schooled people like you:

            Homo sapiens is NOT an invasive species ANYWHERE, you freakishly stupid moron. Since humans have the genetic code to give them the capability to travel/migrate to ANY part of the globe, this means they are native to any area they can travel to on their own. Just like birds that have this capability and can travel to different continents and islands. Those that have the flight-range required to do so are NATIVE to those areas that they are capable of traveling to ON THEIR OWN.

            (And for the love of all that’s good in the world, PLEASE don’t display your further ignorance and stupidity by trying to claim that Europeans, Native Americans, and Asians are different “species”. That’s usually your next huge omelet-on-the-face move that you astoundingly ignorant fools make.)

            Whereas, an animal genetically engineered through selective breeding, such as CATS, are NOT AN INDIGENOUS SPECIES ANYWHERE. They are no more natural to any native environment anywhere on earth than some genetically engineered insect that was invented in some lab, that once released out into nature will destroy all native wildlife, JUST AS CATS DO. Someone once kept a “pet” bee one time. He too selectively bred this pet. After he selectively bred it it was called an Africanized Bee. It accidentally escaped his supervised confinement, and look what happened. Luckily for us they’re’ not destroying the complete food-chain in every ecosystem where they are found today, are limited in their range, and they’re not spreading many deadly diseases to all humans and wildlife — you know, all those fun things that these domesticated-species cats do.

            If you phenomenally stupid cretins are going to use ecology, biology, speciation, and genetics in your arguments, the very LEAST that you could do is have a base comprehension of what you are talking about. Don’t you think?

            No. And that’s the problem with terminally ignorant morons like you, you CAN’T think.

            If ONLY there was a legal cure for “stupid”.

          2. seybernetx   August 5, 2012 at 12:44 pm  

            Apparently, this is a far as replies are supported. Anyway…

            “Homo sapiens is NOT an invasive species ANYWHERE” Yep. G_D gave them dominion over all the earth, right? And I’m the bible thumper.

            “…animal genetically engineered through selective breeding, such as CATS, …” So cats were developed by genetic engineering? Dang! Those ancient Egyptians really were sophisticated, genetically engineering cats out of, well, something. Or are you one of those folks who insist it was ancient aliens built the pyramids?

            “…don’t […] claim that Europeans, Native Americans, and Asians are different “species”. ” Never considered the idea. Frankly, that claim is usually something creationist like you start making about here.

            Well, Woody, it’s been fun, but I’m done. Feel free to keep yelling insults and missing (or ducking) the point.

            Cheers…

    2. Goldie   August 27, 2012 at 2:27 pm  

      Dear Woodsman, I hope you find great kindness and gentleness in your life. I’m not sure why you would write about your perspective on “invasive species” on a site that attracts people who love cats. Perhaps you enjoy the angry ripostes, which in turn fuel your anger. So I hope that something in your life changes your rage into loving kindness, towards people and animals.

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    3. angel   September 9, 2012 at 2:32 am  

      Woodsman,
      I think there are some valuable points to your argument. Where I think you went wrong is in the notes. Yes maybe cats are vicious in the way they kill and eat animals and yes these over populations of feral cats do need to be taken care of weather it to euthanize, TNR, educating owners before they buy/adopt, etc. But when you say they should be treated the same way they treat others is a bit narrow minded. I don’t think anything is purposefully killed that way in the U.S. and there is good reason for it. Some reasons of the top of my mind are: That the person or thing that does this then has to have this done to them since they are taking the same actions as the person/thing being punished.The psychological effects it has on the person or thing doing the punishing i could keep going on with reasons but let me give examples, Humans eat meat, we get this meat from livestock that are raised for it, but in the end we have to kill them to harvest the meat. This is done in various ways bullet to the head,slice the jugular, crush to death,etc. Now what you imply in your notes section is that everyone who eats meat should be killed the way that there meat is killed. Doesn’t seem right to me. Or say you have a bug problem and you poison the bugs to get rid of them does that mean you should be killed by poison since you killed the bugs? An example closer to your point of cats being unnecessarily cruel and viscous, are people on death row. A man that raped a mentally challenged 14 year old girl and then killed her by drowning her. Should he be raped then killed the same way? and if so who would carry out this punishment? what effects would it have on them? should they then be punished the same way since they also took a life cruel and viscously? So the question is, Why should anything that takes a life of another living thing (weather it be as simple as a plant or an ant) be given the privilege of humane death? Or maybe the better question is Why Shouldn’t? Its up to you to decide.

      In my “Notes” section I am going to say that I don’t support or like Cyber Bullying, and maybe you don’t think this as Cyber Bullying but it is. You are a bully to cats (who to tell you the truth don’t really care or know what you are doing), all the cat and animal lovers, and all the people that are working hard for these types of programs. If you are going to degrade people and talk crap about them you should at least have the balls to give yourself an identity.
      Sincerely,
      Angel Gunn

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    4. Soulfighter   October 2, 2012 at 11:44 pm  

      Hey woodsman, ever try thinking LOST NOT STRAY! What if you killed someone’s pet? What if that cat you murdered was someone’s family?! This is a place for loving cat parents!! Not jerks who kill strays for no better reason than they are on your property! I bet the cat ate all the mice that would have given you a disease! On top of that, I don’t care what religion you have, as humans, we have a responsibility to take care of the world around us, that means the invasive animals too!!!

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    5. Cindy   October 3, 2012 at 10:39 am  

      Woody, my boy you seriously need some psychotropic drugs in your life ordered by your local psychiatrist. SERIOUSLY! I don’t condone violence but in your case is it would only take one time for you to ever hurt one of my own. One time, my friend! And if you looked closely, Woodsman would be number 1 on that list you call worst invasive species out there! But I guess you let your ignorance get in the way of seeing you as public enemy # 1 on that list of worst invasive species. God help your wife you have one. And truly, God help any offspring you may produce!!

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    6. icanhike   March 15, 2014 at 2:41 pm  

      Woodman,

      While I share your concern about the TNR program your message delivery is less than helpful. Here’s what I would say:

      TNR is a good option for maintaining the health and safety of feral and outdoor cats. It is NOT a good option if you care about songbirds, lizards or small mammals, to include endangered species. Cats are the most efficient hunters in the animal kingdom, so to trap and re-release them into a native habitat means putting native species at risk. In my opinion feral cats should be trapped and humanely euthanized. While that may be an unpalatable choice for many cat lovers, the alternative (releasing them) put our natural ecosystems at risk.

      Please NEVER feed feral cats, it perpetuates the problem. As a wildlife biologist who manages endangered species populations I have seen first hand the damage they can do in a bird colony. Whatever good intentions you may have, if you feed feral cats you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

      Big fan of “My cat from hell” and how Jackson educates people on how to make person and cat behavioral changes to briong peace to the home!

      Regards.

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    7. Ashley   September 21, 2014 at 6:30 pm  

      Is there a place that does TNR near Herford. NC? I just moved to NC, and I’m concerned. I recently recused a black kitten from the street but tonight I ended feeding a kitten that looked just like the one I recused. The kitten I recused now gives me two cats and I can’t afford to take this other kitten. People ( who claimed to be taking the kitten in) say she is a female so, I’m really concerned.

      I fed her tonight, she is sweet even though she is really skinny. I really want to get her fixed so if someone can tell me if there is a place that at least does TNR, I would greatly appreciate it.

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  2. Holy Mackerel 5000   July 29, 2012 at 9:27 am  

    Under a proper TNR program community and feral cats will, over time, diminish in numbers due to the nature of the program. It is irresponsible cat owners who abandon pets that perpetuate the problem and thus become the root cause, the community cats are a symptom.
    As for the ridiculous argument put forward, by Woodsman, to justify cruelly treating cats. Cats are an integral part of nature and have a role to play. They are a predator by nature, not by will. Humans are also a part of nature but the big difference between humans and animals is, humans choose how to to behave.

    State laws penalize two types of actions under their anti-cruelty provisions: (1) intentional acts and (2) the failure to act. Intentional acts are those acts of cruelty where the actor knowingly tries to hurt an animal by repeatedly striking an animal, burning an animal, or committing some other heinous act.
    http://www.animallaw.info/topics/tabbed%20topic%20page/spuscruelty.htm

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  3. Peter J. Wolf   July 29, 2012 at 2:47 pm  

    Thank you, Jackson, for helping to bring trap-neuter-return out from the shadows! As I point out repeatedly on my blog, TNR may not be an ideal solution, but more often than not it’s the best option available.

    Nevertheless, TNR opponents continue to misinform the public about the threats posed by free-roaming cats—grossly overstating the impact of their predation on wildlife, for example, or the risk of rabies. Meanwhile, these same people/organizations have nothing to offer by way of a feasible alternative.

    Trap-and-kill?

    Even setting aside the humane/inhumane question for the moment, lethal control methods have, for generations now, proven largely ineffective and very costly. “There’s no department that I’m aware of that has enough money in their budget to simply practice the old capture-and-euthanize policy,” observes Mark Kumpf, former president of the National Animal Control Association. “Nature just keeps having more kittens” (Hettinger, 2008).

    Frankly, I find the native/non-native “argument” almost laughable, in part because of the people using it—who, in my experience, cannot claim to be even remotely “native” themselves.

    Which raises the question: what do we mean by “native species”?

    In his provocative 1998 essay, “Nativism and Nature: Rethinking biological invasion,” Jonah Peretti argues, “it is unclear how long a species needs to be established in a location before it is considered native.”

    “Is a species ‘naturalised’ in 100 years, 1,000 years, or 10,000 years? The distinctions are arbitrary and unscientific. Nativist trends in Conservation Biology have made environmentalists biased against alien species. This bias is scientifically questionable, and may have roots in xenophobic and racist attitudes” (Peretti, 1998).

    In fact, most people are shocked to learn how few species ARE native. Where’s the outcry against honeybees, for example, which originated in South and Southeast Asia? “In many places,” suggests environmental philosopher Mark Sagoff, “one can hardly imagine the landscape without alien species” (Sagoff, 1999).

    “Virtually everything down on the farm is an exotic: of all crops, only sunflowers, cranberries, and Jerusalem artichokes evolved in North America. Corn, soybeans, wheat, and cotton have been imported from some other land. Cattle came from Europe. Rockfish—or striped bass as they are known outside Maryland—are native to the Bay but have been introduced up and down the Atlantic and Pacific coasts for sport and commercial fishing. More than 90 percent of all oysters sold in the world are produced by aquaculture, and almost the entire oyster industry on the West Coast is based on a species imported from Japan” (Sagoff, 1999).

    (One wonders if the people vilifying cats for their non-native status structure their diets so as to consume only native plants and animals. I suspect they have little concern for such philosophical/moral consistencies.)

    Our very identities can be wrapped up in what is, in fact, alien, notes Sagoff. “Kentucky identifies itself as the ‘Bluegrass State,’ but bluegrass immigrated from England” (Sagoff, 1999). And immigrants, Sagoff points out, are—broadly speaking—often unwelcome.

    “Those who seek funds to exclude or eradicate non-native species,” he argues, “often attribute to them the same disreputable qualities that xenophobes have attributed to immigrant groups. These undesirable characteristics include sexual robustness, uncontrolled fecundity, low parental involvement with the young, tolerance for ‘degraded’ or squalid conditions, aggressiveness, predatory behavior, and so on” (Sagoff, 1999).

    The whole native/non-native “argument” is little more than a red herring, a distraction. Were we to learn tomorrow, say, that the domestic cat has been in North America for thousands of years, it’s difficult to imagine the news making the slightest difference to TNR opponents.

    Take that away from them, and they’ll just find something else.

    Peter J. Wolf
    http://www.VoxFelina.com

    Literature Cited
    • Hettinger, J. (2008). Taking a Broader View of Cats in the Community. Animal Sheltering, 8–9.
    • Peretti, J. H. (1998). Nativism and Nature: Rethinking biological invasion. Environmental Values, 7, 183–192.
    • Sagoff, M. (1999). What’s Wrong with Exotic Species? : Institute for Philosophy and Public Policy

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    1. bill   September 4, 2012 at 8:48 pm  

      thank you

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  4. kat   July 29, 2012 at 7:26 pm  

    LOL @Woodsman. You seem pretty much the pendulum swing opposite of “crazy cat lovers.” Calling the way cats treat the animals who are their natural prey as a result of instinct “cruel torture” is superimposing human morality and judgement on an animal, and that is ludicrous. Of course feral cats shouldn’t be fed and encouraged to breed because someone thinks they’re cute, but animals obviously don’t have the power of intention necessary to qualify an action as “cruel” or “torture.” Have fun wearing your tinfoil hat.

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  5. Melissa   July 29, 2012 at 8:15 pm  

    I’ve seen that same guy post the same huge rant virtually word for word, over and over. Basically, he’s a troll trying to get a rise out of cat lovers. Anyhoo, Jackson, thank you for bringing TNR to public attention. It’s worked very well on my college campus. Education is what is needed above all else.

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  6. Woodsman   July 29, 2012 at 8:20 pm  

    The law in the USA is that it is perfectly legal to destroy any animal, someone’s pet or not, that is threatening the health, well-being, and safety of yourself, your family, your animals, or even your property. Also true even in most densely populated cities, firearms laws permitting, if not then 700-1200fps air-rifles are commonly used. The only animals exempt from you taking immediate action, legally, are those listed on endangered or threatened species lists, and any bird species under protection of MBTA (the Migratory Bird Treaty Act). Even then variances can be given should there be sufficient problem but this requires further study by authorities. Since cats are listed in the TOP 40 WORST invasive-species of the world in the “Global Invasive Species Database”, this means they have no protection whatsoever from being shot on sight, they are not on any protected-species list anywhere in the world. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. And if your area enforces and obeys invasive-species laws — as they should — then it is against the law to NOT destroy any cat on sight, someone’s pet or not. It is your civic and moral responsibility to destroy any invasive-species that is found away from supervised confinement and roaming freely in a non-native habitat.

    Shoot to maim is punishable under the laws that define animal-cruelty. But shoot to kill is a perfectly legal way to humanely destroy an animal. The same laws that apply to methods of humanely hunting animals also applies to cats. Unlike cat-lovers’ psychotic beliefs, the reality is that a cat is just another animal. It’s NOT their baby, their child, their offspring. Even if they do view their cats that way, letting them roam free is no less criminally irresponsible than them telling their child to go play in the freeway and then blaming the cars for their child’s death. If they let their cat roam free, NO MATTER HOW IT DIES, that is THEIR fault and they can be charged with all laws that clearly define animal-neglect, animal-abandonment, and animal-endangerment.

    In fact, here’s a publication from a study done by the University of Nebraska on the best ways to HUMANELY deal with a feral-cat problem wherever you live. This documentation INCLUDES the best firearms, ammo, and air-rifles required to HUMANELY destroy cats. deenawinter.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/ec1781.pdf

    Besides, what difference does it make if the cat gets shot or ran over by a car, attacked by another cat or animal, drowned, or poisoned by plants animals or chemicals (inexpensive 1-adult-strength generic acetaminophen pain-relievers gaining in popularity, for being so species specific). The result is the same. The cause is the same — the fault of the criminally irresponsible pet-owner that let their invasive-species pet roam free. They’ve already proved that their animal is 100% expendable. You can either destroy their cat for them humanely, or let their lack of care cause it to inevitably die inhumanely. They don’t care one bit how their cat might cruelly suffer to death if they let it roam free. Humanely destroy their cat for them before that can happen.

    You might also enjoy knowing …

    If you advocate for cats as rodent-control on farms and ranches you’ve already doomed them to being destroyed by drowning or shooting when it becomes a financial liability more than any asset. Ranchers and farmers worldwide are fully aware that cats’ Toxoplasma gondii parasite can cause the very same birth defects (hydrocephaly and microcephaly), still-births, and miscarriages in their livestock and important wildlife as it can in pregnant women. Consequently, this is also how this cats’ brain-parasite gets into your meats and onto your dinner-tables, from herbivores ingesting this cat-parasites’ oocysts in the soils, transferred to the plants and grains that they eat. Not even washing your hands in bleach will destroy this parasites’ oocysts if you have contracted it from your garden or yard that a cat has defecated in.

    This is why any cats are ROUTINELY destroyed around gestating livestock and wildlife-management areas in the most efficient, humane, and least-expensive method available. Common rural practice everywhere. The risk of financial loss from dead livestock and important native wildlife from an invasive-species cat is far too great to do otherwise. This cats’ parasite is now even killing off rare marine-mammals along all coastal regions from run-off containing this cat-parasites’ oocysts.

    The next time you bite into that whole-grain veggie-muffin or McBurger, you need to just envision biting down on a shot-dead or drowned kitten or cat. For that’s precisely how that food supply got to your mouth — whether you want to face up to it or not. It’s not going to change reality no matter how much you twist your mind away from the truth of your world.

    If you want to blame someone for the drowning and shooting of cats, you need to prosecute yourself — every time you eat.

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    1. Jessie   July 30, 2012 at 2:42 pm  

      Woodsman you stand as a shining example of the statement “You cannot fix stupid.” I have never read such ranting lunancy from a supposedly informed adult. Please do not assume to speak for rural America because you certainly do not. We love cats on farms. Their benefits far out way any potential harms. I believe your sole purpose in life is to troll the cat websites and try to illicit responses from cat advocates. However, as the owner of a horse farm that is also home to dozens of cats as well as geese, chickens and various other species and a rational individual I feel so very sorry that yours is such an empty life devoid of human compassion. I hope that someday you will find some meaning and purpose in your apparently hate filled life but until then I will continue to ignore your rantings. TNR is the most just and humane approach from natural law, utilitarian and deontological perspectives. So rant away if you wish but we will continue to ignore you and get on with the business of TNR promotion.

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      1. Woodsman   July 31, 2012 at 1:17 am  

        Destroying cats is NOT hating cats nor a fear of cats.

        Why do mentally-unbalanced and psychotic cat-advocates always presume that if someone is removing a highly destructive, deadly disease spreading, human-engineered invasive-species from the native habitat to restore it back into natural balance that they must hate that organism? Does someone who destroys Zebra Mussels, Kudzu, African Cichlids, Burmese Pythons, Brown Tree Snakes, or any of the other myriad destructive invasive-species have some personal problem with that species? (Many of which are escaped PETS that don’t even spread any harmful diseases, unlike cats.) Your ignorance and blatant biases are revealed in your declaring that people who destroy cats must somehow hate or fear cats. Nothing could be further from the truth.

        It is people who let a destructive invasive-species roam free that tortures-to-death all other wildlife that have zero respect for life. They don’t even care about their cats dying a slow torturous death from exposure, animal attacks, diseases, starvation, dehydration, becoming road-kill, environmental poisons. etc., the way that ALL stray cats suffer to death. They don’t even respect their fellow human being. This speaks more than volumes about your disgusting character. People like you should be locked up in prison for life for your cruelty to all animals, your own cats as well as all the native wildlife that you let your cats skin alive or disembowel alive. If you let cats roam free you are violating every animal-abandonment, animal-neglect, animal-endangerment, and invasive-species law in existence.

        If people DO hate cats today, have LEARNED to hate cats today, you have nobody but yourself and everyone just like you to blame. YOU are the reason people are now realizing that all excess cats must be destroyed on-site and on-sight. You’ve done so much to make people care about cats, haven’t you. If you want to do something about it, direct your sadly and sorely misplaced energies at those that are causing the problem, not at those who are actually solving it.

        In summation: THIS IS YOUR FAULT and THE FAULT OF EVERYONE JUST LIKE YOU. You have NOBODY but yourselves to blame.

        You can take that all the way to the very last shot-dead cat’s grave.

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        1. Bjorn   August 9, 2012 at 5:48 am  

          You have been reading the posts you’ve been writing, right?

          I sincerely hope that you’re just a troll.

          I hope that you’re dumb enough NOT to have used a proxy – because you just bragged about multiple instances of severe animal abuse.

          The bizarre screeds about cats “skinning their prey alive”? The fantastic tales of many a walk through the woods broken by the shrieks of the squirrels? (Can you hear the screams, Clarise? Can you hear the squirrels?)

          The animals you’re *forced* to stomp to death, because as a seasoned woodsman, you’re not familiar with sticks or rocks and don’t carry a knife?

          You need to understand that in most counties in the US, if you kill a domestic animal which is not threatening you and shows no reasonable signs of being rabid, you will be (even in the deep south) be facing a hefty fine.

          Do it on the West Coast, and you’re going to meet some men in the pound we put humans in.

          And they will definitely see you as a member of an invasive species.

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          1. bill   September 4, 2012 at 8:56 pm  

            thank you, this guy is so backassward person i have ever came across….

    2. David   October 19, 2012 at 1:48 am  

      I bet he’s one of these dog owners that think it’s ok for them to poop in my front yard and bark any time of the day and night because they are dogs. Wild doge are worse than any feral feral cat because they will tear up any animal because they are pack hunters. The reason for both are stupid owners.

      Oh, and the indiscriminate killing of cats was one of the reason for the great plagues of Europe, cats are partially immune to it . A place for everything and everyone EXCEPT stupidity.

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  7. Woodsman   July 29, 2012 at 8:24 pm  

    As for PedroLoco moron:

    Here’s my standard issue prepared reply for bible-home-schooled people like you:

    Homo sapiens is NOT an invasive species ANYWHERE, you freakishly stupid moron. Since humans have the genetic code to give them the capability to travel/migrate to ANY part of the globe, this means they are native to any area they can travel to on their own. Just like birds that have this capability and can travel to different continents and islands. Those that have the flight-range required to do so are NATIVE to those areas that they are capable of traveling to ON THEIR OWN.

    (And for the love of all that’s good in the world, PLEASE don’t display your further ignorance and stupidity by trying to claim that Europeans, Native Americans, and Asians are different “species”. That’s usually your next huge omelet-on-the-face move that you astoundingly ignorant fools make.) (edit: OOOPS! You already did! Like that’s any surprise.)

    Whereas, an animal genetically engineered through selective breeding, such as CATS, are NOT AN INDIGENOUS SPECIES ANYWHERE. They are no more natural to any native environment anywhere on earth than some genetically engineered insect that was invented in some lab, that once released out into nature will destroy all native wildlife, JUST AS CATS DO. Someone once kept a “pet” bee one time. He too selectively bred this pet. After he selectively bred it it was called an Africanized Bee. It accidentally escaped his supervised confinement, and look what happened. Luckily for us they’re’ not destroying the complete food-chain in every ecosystem where they are found today, are limited in their range, and they’re not spreading many deadly diseases to all humans and wildlife — you know, all those fun things that these domesticated-species cats do.

    If you phenomenally stupid cretins are going to use ecology, biology, speciation, and genetics in your arguments, the very LEAST that you could do is have a base comprehension of what you are talking about. Don’t you think?

    No. And that’s the problem with terminally ignorant morons like you, you CAN’T think.

    If ONLY there was a legal cure for “stupid”.

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    1. MAB   July 30, 2012 at 10:18 am  

      If so, Woodsman…you’ll never find it!

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  8. Annalisa   July 30, 2012 at 10:19 am  

    From Wikipedia: “The first definition, the most used, applies to introduced species (also called “non-indigenous” or “non-native”) that adversely affect the habitats and bioregions they invade economically, environmentally, and/or ecologically. Such invasive species may be either plants or animals and may disrupt by dominating a region, wilderness areas, particular habitats, or wildland-urban interface land from loss of natural controls (such as predators or herbivores).” – Since humans are indigenous to Africa (probably parts of East and possibly South Africa), the definition of invasive species applies quite well. I would love to hear about the genetic research on the “genetic code” that gives humans (and apparently only human, not species like cockroaches, mice, etc.) the ability to “travel/migrate to ANY part of the globe.” Especially since anthropologists would tell you it’s culture that allows us to be such an invasive species, not our biology. Try, for instance, living in the Arctic without culture and see how that goes for you.

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    1. Woodsman   July 31, 2012 at 12:55 am  

      What lofty literature to cite — Wikipedia. Authored and hosted by losers living in their mommy’s basements who sit there night after night defending whatever corrections are made to their ignorance and stupidity.

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      1. Woodsman   July 31, 2012 at 1:26 am  

        (typing too-fast typo)

        “…who sit there night after night defending whatever corrections are made to their ignorance and stupidity.”

        “… who sit there night after night defending their uneducated assumptions against whatever corrections are made to their ignorance and stupidity.”

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  9. JockoPfw   July 30, 2012 at 8:11 pm  

    Ahh- the old Woodsman is still posting I see. Since your boss has been notified of some of your more insane rants- calling for more nefarious means to harm not only cats but those who care for them- one can only assume you are being paid to do this since you are still posting. What? Did the Wildlife service get a grant from the ABC to pay your salary??
    Salazar needs to GO too What a nut job. He’s just ensuring his “family ranch” and cattle business on the backs of the people, their property, and yes the littlest of all- the cats.

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    1. Woodsman   July 31, 2012 at 1:01 am  

      FACT: During all this investigation I have discovered something that is unfaltering without fail. Something that you can bet your very life on and win every last time. That being — IF A TNR CAT-HOARDER IS TALKING THEN THEY ARE LYING. 100% guaranteed!

      1. I don’t condone the harming of humans. That is the sole territory and motive of cat-lovers. Would you like me to post the hundreds of death-threats that cat-lovers post online? Even Congressman Oda had to have the FBI investigate you people from all the death-threats that you sent to him, his family, and fellow law-makers. I like collecting the death-threats that you people post. They don’t bother me in the least. But should any one of you sociopathic, psychopathic, psychotics ever make good on your threats, then you ALL go down. LOL!

      2. I have never worked for any wildlife service, EVER. They have made some of the most ignorant and stupid decisions I have ever seen. Why would I want to work for people like that?

      Got any more lies to spread around to continuously make total fools of yourselves?

      (I swear I was born into a world of complete and utter morons.)

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      1. bill   September 4, 2012 at 9:01 pm  

        THEN YOU MUST BE GOD, now i know who you are . Thanks for the insight……

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  10. Annie   July 31, 2012 at 2:30 pm  

    “They strive for invisibility”

    This quote from the commentary above highlights a key problem with feeding outdoor cats. Many people who feed outdoor cats do not stay and watch all of the food get consumed. This means that they really have no idea how many cats or other animals they are feeding. If an unaltered cat is getting fed, even if all of the other cats are fixed – you are likely making the problem worse! It would be better to not feed at all…

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  11. Annie   July 31, 2012 at 2:37 pm  

    Peter Wolf has repeated this many times:
    “Even setting aside the humane/inhumane question for the moment, lethal control methods have, for generations now, proven largely ineffective and very costly. “There’s no department that I’m aware of that has enough money in their budget to simply practice the old capture-and-euthanize policy,” observes Mark Kumpf, former president of the National Animal Control Association. “Nature just keeps having more kittens” (Hettinger, 2008).”

    However, this really applies to TNR just as well, if not more – Not only is capturing and fixing a cat labor intensive and expensive, TNR requires ongoing monitoring and feeding – which, despite appearances, is not at all free or cheap. Also, the ‘vacuum effect’ is a myth – there are no studies that actually demonstrate it is necessary to return cats once they are removed. TNR adds food to the local environment, thus INCREASING the carrying capacity of that local. It would be more efficient to figure out what attracted the cats in the first place and remove that.

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    1. Woodsman   July 31, 2012 at 8:52 pm  

      “It would be more efficient to figure out what attracted the cats in the first place and remove that.”

      That answer is OH so simple. CATS ATTRACT CATS. Do as I did on my own land. Shot and buried HUNDREDS of them. NO CATS HAVE REPLACED THEM _FOR _OVER_TWO_YEARS_NOW_.

      Based on the VERY SAME finding that Texas A&M University found.

      FACT: Their mythical “vacuum effect” is a 100% LIE. A study done by the Texas A&M University proved that any perceived “vacuum” is just the simple case that CATS ATTRACT CATS. Get rid of them all and there’s no cats there to attract more. If you want more cats, keep even one of them around, more will find you. That university study also found that sterilized cats very poorly defend any territory. Non-sterilized cats, being more aggressive, take over the sterilized cats’ resources (shelter & food if any). If there is any kind of “vacuum effect” at all, it is that sterilizing cats cause non-sterilized cats to restore the reproductive void.

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      1. Roger Cat   August 15, 2012 at 10:31 am  

        Thats cruel! You just killed your own brothers and sisters! After all, your no more than an animal like them! Imagine someone shooting your own family and buried them? You know, in my court, we have thousands of cats and we never shot 1. You could have just trapped them and give them to a shelter and let them be. But NO, you had to kill them! Carma will come, and it will come HARD. That’s a warning.

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    2. Bjorn   August 9, 2012 at 5:52 am  

      Meanwhile, in the real world –

      Tens of thousands of willing volunteers will put up their time and money to do TNVR, at no cost to the Government.

      For the “Let’s slaughter them for fun” cookout, you’ve no one showing up but you and the Woodsman.

      I wonder if he saw the Kevin Bacon movie….

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      1. bill   September 4, 2012 at 9:02 pm  
  12. Team Cat Mojo   August 6, 2012 at 8:30 am  

    Of course the topic of TNR is going to be a potentially explosive one. I’m glad we have a place to help encourage different points of view. That being said, I have to put a stop to this; it should all be about ideas, not button pushing and name calling. I’m about putting as much positive energy out there as I can. As much as I’d love to use the bully pulpit and stick it to those with so much hate in their hearts that they manage to twist logic into the shape of a .22, I’m just stepping in to impose some guidelines instead. From here on, respectful dialogue is what we’re about. Excessively rude, threatening or incendiary comments will simply be deleted. -Jackson

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    1. Woodsman   August 6, 2012 at 7:26 pm  

      Censorship: The very last bastion of any completely failed and totally proved false religion — like TNR.

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    2. bill   September 4, 2012 at 9:04 pm  

      where do they come from..????? WOW

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    3. Pamela   October 14, 2012 at 6:27 pm  

      Jackson (and staff?) After reading your new guidelines I’m hoping that, indeed, these bullying and incendiary posts will be removed, soon!

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  13. Roger Cat   August 14, 2012 at 4:32 pm  

    In my court we have a TON of feral cats (female and male) running around. NONE of them are neutered and they have had at least 3 litters of kitten this year. We really need to trap the kittens, so they can’t reproduce but how? Do you know of any good traps? Below is a list.

    – Lechi (small pregnant female litter 2)
    -Felina (fluffy female 1 litter)
    -Big Fella (big fluffy male/female looks like Felina, might limp)
    -The Mean Tom (good sized male/female that picks on other cats)
    – Princess (good sized female 3 or more litters)
    – Mia’s Mom (one of the first cats to come. Gave birth to Gawain’s litter and Mia’s litter)
    – Not Named ( huge black and white male/female cat with green eyes.)
    – Cashmeir (siamese kitten fluffy)
    -Not Named (black kitten with green eyes)
    -Not Named (grey kitten)
    -Not Named (kitten)
    -Not Named (grey tabby kitten)
    -Not Named (kitten)
    -Not Named (kitten)
    -Gawain (grey and white feral tom with black eyeliner. Is BFF’s with Buddy)
    -Buddy *short for something* (netured tom with blue eyes and is friendly to us or me)
    – Not Named (fluffy female/male cat. Has not been spotted recently)
    INDOOR/OUTDOOR CATS
    -Mia (extreamly fluffy and pretty grey and white cat who is kinda feal and is not very smart. Had to have surgery)
    -Herold (handsome brown cat with green eyes. Goes in and out)
    -Maya (15 yr. old tabby female with green eyes. Is only indoor.)
    -Roger ( big tabby kitten who is the son of Lechi. His father is likely to be Gawain. Both of his sisters were caught and got homes.)
    And thats it. Those are all they cat I could think of (that we knew). Please give us an idea on HOW to capture all these cats!

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    1. seybernetx   August 15, 2012 at 11:21 am  

      My first suggestion is to contact Alley Cat Allies (http://www.alleycat.org/). Typically, they offer little concrete aid, but should give you some contacts as a place to start. Also, feed “Trap Neuter Release” into your favorite search engine (or google).

      If you can find a no kill shelter in the area, they might be able to give you some more local help.

      There are several live traps out there. Check with your local farm & home supply, they should be able to help you. You will also need some sort of cage to serve as a “holding cell” before and after neutering. Check with local shelters to look for a low cost vet. Mass neuters can get expensive.

      With luck, you might get some help with the management at the apartment/office/whatever you’re worried about.

      I have no idea where you are, so I really can’t give you much detailed help. Hope this will at least give you a start.

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  14. Vicky   August 16, 2012 at 2:07 pm  

    I have 3 feral kittens I traped them a week and a half ago and have been looking for info to help me tame them. I couldn’t live with myself if I had just watched as they starved. First I got yelled at for trapping them next I was told to cal the county so they could kill them. Good lord I’m trying to save them I keep telling everyone they are just kittens… So what I came up with is I have to tame them. Two will eat out of my hand one all the time the other sometimes. One will stand on my leg to eat the other will get very close. One is just where it will watch me sometimes.

    I’ve read when they are at this point to try to wrap them in a towel and pet them but if I get to close or try to hard the next time I go in with treats and to play it’s like we are moving backwards. If I keep up with the food and treats always play and let them come to me will I do better that way. They are just to the point that they will play even then sometimes getting scared and running away. If I wait long enough they will come back out. I always try to leave the room when they are out and relaxed. If they are starting to trust me I’m not sure grabbing them up in a towel will help. Also the one that is making very slow progress I read to take it away from the other ones. Just seems like that will make it more scared and alone.

    Thank you for any help you can give me.
    Vicky

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    1. seybernetx   August 16, 2012 at 5:33 pm  

      There’s lots of info on taming feral kittens on the web. The bad news is that, as usual, a lot of it contradicts each other. If the kittens are young, and you’ve already caught them, you’re probably half way home already. Feed ‘taming feral kittens’ into your favorite search engine and you should have a lots of info to check out. (http://www.ask.com/web?q=taming+feral%20kittens&o=0&qsrc=61 is my choice, FWIW)

      I’ve never done the ‘grab with a towel’ thing, and I agree with you separating them is likely going to do as much harm as good. If you’re still worried, contact either Random felines or tails from the foster kittens or daily dose. They’re all active raising foster and feral kittens. I would imagine any of them would be willing to answer any questions you might have. If all else fails, contact me. I’m by no means an expert, but I manages to raise an orphan kitten, and tamed several stray/ferals that showed up in my yard.

      One other problem you will have someday, and might want to think about: Are you planning on keeping them? If not, do you have any place to place them when they are older?

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      1. Vicky   August 17, 2012 at 9:18 am  

        After I cought them and found out that they would be put down if taken to a shelter or turned away. The way they are right now I understand that better. After reading more about feral kittens or cats to try to place them in another home might not work. That’s not a problem animals need for ever homes thet should never be thrown away. Every animal requires time and lots of love they are like children they have to have time to learn and guidance. I think they are 7 to 10 weeks old is my guess it’s hard to say they haven’t had a good diet. When I trapped the black kitten the tabby was sitting on top of the cage the other was close by. Together they lived to this age I’m not sure how you would separate them. I’ll have to leave that up to them.

        Thank you for all the information I will look into the sites you gave me. Thank you so much for letting me contact you also. It’s a wonderful day here I was allowed to touch 2 of the kittens. the smaller kitten that was most driven by food is going to be very hard to earn his/her trust. For the first time the all did come out and play.

        One question the smaller kitten has tried to bite my toe and finger not hard kinda just to test the water. Any clue on what that really is. I’ve been looking for kitten/cats body language but haven’t come across that one yet. So far I’ve just moved my toe or finger and tell him/her to be nice. the biggest problem I’m having is not looking them in the eyes they are all so beautiful and so different. Soon they won’t be skin and bones.

        Thanks Vicky

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        1. seybernetx   August 18, 2012 at 10:15 am  

          Glad to offer what ever help I can. Not sure if I gave you this reference, but Kitten Rescue is a nice source for info about raising kittens. It is aimed more at bottle feeding week old kittens, so you are likely past most of the info there, but it has some information about how old a kitten is.

          Is the little kitten biting or nursing your fingers/toes? If s/he is biting hard enough to bother you, flick his nose or ear, gently. Sometimes, all it takes is distracting him. My guess is she is trying to play.

          Some questions –

          Was the momma cat around, or were this kittens orphaned/abandoned? Do you know?

          I assume the kittens are weaned, since you didn’t mention bottle or tube feedings, right?

          From the sound of things, whatever you are doing seems to be working, so just keep on keeping on.

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          1. Vicky   August 31, 2012 at 7:41 am  

            I don’t think I ever saw the mother cat just the kittens. I think they were 8 to 10 or 11 weeks old when I trapped them. They are doing better have put some weight on. The smaller one that would bite me just wants love I think but is still afraid. When I do get to pet him he’s on top of the world next thing you know he is supposed to be afraid and runs.

            I made them a box house 2 different size boxes with holes in them. That took a few days to get used to but now it’s OK . The next step was the 5 foot scratching post my BF helped me make it that looks kinda like a A fram with a platform on top and a toy on it. We covered it in old carpet and 2 of the kittens run all over it playing next thing you know they remember I’m in the room and have to hide in the box. A toy helps them remember I’m not going to hurt them. The black kitten is very shy and is just now coming out but still very very afraid in time I hope he will come around or I’ll have a cat that I really never get to see. I can only hope that he does comes around. The more he sees the other 2 getting love and being less afraid it might help him. I know when I change anything it really throws them off. Some days I have to remind myself that giving them a home is really better for them they just need time to get used to the idea.

  15. yerda   August 18, 2012 at 9:54 pm  

    Wow, I am disturbed that people like Woodsman exist all around us. Clearly he either suffers from a psychological issue (sociopath?) or was raised in an abusive environment himself to be spending so much time and energy punishing a few innocent feral animals and the people who advocate for them. I can only hope that karma comes around and gets him sooner rather than later. I wouldn’t doubt that his intense anger/anxiety issues will be responsible when the time comes.

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  16. MaDukes   August 28, 2012 at 12:26 pm  

    I have 2 wild cats in my yard that I have been caring for since they were born. Their names, Blackie and Sweetheart. They are brother and sister from the previous litter that I cared for. In previous litters, and there were about 5, the kittens when they got old enough wandered off but one would always stay in sight of my yard. With Blackie (female) and Sweetheart (male) the 2 of them stayed in my yard. I feed them, play with them, pet them and hold them but they will not come into my house for more than 2 minutes. thats fine they like the outdoors even in winter. Well, Blackie not so much, she kinda tiptoes thru the snow where as Sweetheart just barrels right thru it trying to make a pathway for Blackie. Its really funny to watch them. Well, about 4 yrs ago they had a litter of 5. One passed away and then the 4 that were left stayed with me. ( 1 set of twins, Carrot and Peas, they had one green eye and one blue eye oppsite sides, Houdini, black and white and an Mush, orange tabby) )I found out about Save A Kitty foundation who would pick up my 2 cats and have them neutered and then returned to me. I didn’t wast to give them up I had them for so long. The kittens I did want to find homes for. So Debi brought over the travel cages and said when you catch them call me. I asked if she wanted to wait and she said no call me when they were ready. Within a half hour I called her and said they were ready for transport. She said how did I do it so fast? I told her that I have held these babies since they were born and Blackie and Sweetheart know I am not going to hurt them. So she came back and in a few days brought Blackie and Sweetheart back to me. The kittens were going up for adoption. She told me it was a great thing that the kittens were used to human handling and feeding. Well, needless to say we did take one kitten. The orange tabby, Mush is now a part of our family for 4 years now. He is an inside cat and his parents, Blackie and Sweetheart are still here outside. Sweetheart will sit on the outside window sill while Mush is on the sill inside. No fights, they just sit together. Yes, Blackie and Sweetheart have had shots and I do the flea and tick one them every year. Though this year the tube made a noise when I was putting it on the back of Sweethearts neck amd he ran. He didn’t come by me for a few days but now he’s sitting on my lap again.
    I just wanted to share my story , Thanks

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    1. Lee County Clowder   August 28, 2012 at 3:26 pm  

      ppuurrrrrrrrrrsss to you

      and thanks from all us kitties

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  17. Jeneviive   August 28, 2012 at 8:31 pm  

    Dear Jackson,
    I just wanted to say thank you for stepping in here and imposing some guidelines – this “conversation” was way out of control. I’m glad to know that you or your staff monitor these sections to some extent. I’m always shocked and horrified by what the power of anonymity has created in our society: a forum for the worst kinds of violence and hate. That said, I suppose I shouldn’t then be surprised by the fact that it’s always those same people who attempt to call foul on so-called “censorship” – as if civility is some kind of attack on their first amendment rights. What’s even worse is that it’s clear that such people actually /do/ believe (or purport to believe) that the requirement for civility /is/ a violation of their rights because they fail to recognize their speech as hate – they think they /are/ being civil. Who knows what’s going on in this particular case – if the guy is a nutjob or a scammer, but in either case, it sets a bad precedent and just encourages further outrageous and, frankly, dangerous rhetoric.
    Anyway, sorry for the rant. I’m just always blown away by the things people think it’s okay to say when no one knows who they are. As if they think there’s no reason to be honest or kind when no one is watching.
    But as to the topic at hand, I honestly cannot understand the “kill first, ask questions later” attitude of anti-TNR folks. So much depends on the environment of the community cats that it seems ridiculous to me that anyone would think that any kind of blanket proclamation satisfies. Community cats can live long and healthy lives in the wild – and yes, even in cities and suburbs. If a cat is suffering tremendously, then putting it down humanely can be the best choice. But most strays /aren’t/ suffering tremendously. They may have to fight for resources like every other animal (and human), but they aren’t suffering to the extent that they should be murdered. That’s like suggesting that we should “put down” the million or so children who go hungry in America every day – that it’s kinder than letting them go hungry since we don’t have the resources to provide for them all. Same is true for the “kill them now to prevent future suffering” argument. You might as well say that we should mandate death for anyone over the age of 60 to prevent the potential suffering attendant upon old age. If someone (a cat or, IMHO, even a person – but that’s a discussion for another time) we should do everything we can to ease that suffering up to and including humane termination of life. But if we’re just talking about a /potential/ future, then all you’re doing is trying to justify murder – like the husband who thinks his family can’t survive without him so instead of just committing suicide, he kills his wife and kids first.
    Some of you may think these analogies are reductio ad absurdam, but I say, so what if they are? Sometimes it’s vitally important to take the implication of an argument as far as it can go. Swift’s Modest Proposal, anyone?
    Anyway, thank you, Jackson, for all the important work you do and for brining issues like this to the public. You absolutely rock! :)

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  18. Nancy   August 29, 2012 at 10:02 am  

    I am trying to foster and socialize some feral kittens that came from a friend’s farm. They are about 5 weeks old, and they are still hissing after 2 days but very interested in me now that I am the magic food person. I have read some sites for this, and I am hoping that our local humane society will take them when I have socialized them. If anyone wants to carry on a conversation about this, please contact me!

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    1. Vicky   August 31, 2012 at 8:06 am  

      I don’t know much about feral kittens just learning myself I have 3 now but it sounds like yours are coming around much faster then mine. I do think the ones I trapped were older then yours. After hours of sitting in the kittens room letting them know I won’t hurt them and I’m trying to help. I just have to tell you God bless you. Maybe try to have as many new people around for them to see as you can. If my kitten see anyone else in this house it’s right back to day one.The way it looks my kittens will be my cats the only real family they know is each other I’m not going to seperate them now. If they acted like they wanted more human contact and ever new person didn’t scare them I would think different homes would be better. Maybe if they had been younger the only reason they let me see them is they were starving. I’m not much help I don’t know much but God Bless you.

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  19. Vicky   August 31, 2012 at 11:07 am  

    Update on the kittens they look much better! Two of the kittens will let me pet them from time to time the black one is still very shy and afraid. They don’t really like any kind of change so when I put the box toy in the room with them that was a set back only about a day or so. Two different size boxes taped together with holes cut in them they play with each other through the holes. The shy one loves the boxes now and I don’t see much of him.
    The big set back was the 5 feet scratching post we made for them. It looks like a A fram with a platform on the top they can sit or lay on the lover kitten and the wild one he plays so hard and kinda get crazy when he plays they love the new post. After a good play the two kittens will let me pet them and I hope that in time the shy guy will trust me. Right now it’s hard to think I’m doing the right thing for him I just know it has to be better to have a home. So I have kittens that I don’t get to see much the places they can hide. They may end up cats I don’t see much but Lover Boy, Wild Man, and Shy Guy have a home. If anyone else is around you never see them I think they would have to be around a lot for them to trust them. If they were younger when I caught them it might have been eaiser for them. If they weren’t starving I don’t think they would have ever let me see them. It was Wild man I had been feeding outside then the Shy guy showed up and I never knew about Lover boy until he was on Shy guys trap. All they had was each other. God has blessed me to let me help them.
    I still feed and water the cats outside but you don’t get close to them. Until I find out about trap and release around here I’m not going to catch them just to have them killed.
    Thank you so much for your help. God Bless to Jackson and the people that help him to educate people on cat with and without homes.

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  20. Deborah Lockwood   September 3, 2012 at 9:50 am  

    Dear Jackson,
    I want to send you a letter to thank you for all you do to help with awareness and education regarding felines. You have been a blessing to my household. I have had some issues with that have cleared up with two of my kitties because of advice and guidance I have followed watching your show. My kitties would be chorusing their happy approvals to you if they knew you were involved in making their lives happier. I had one kitty that was extremely territorial about my bedroom and I found a way using beds, kitty trees and toys placed strategically around the room designated for each cat, and rewarding each cat with a clicker-based treat to teach them to accept their positions in the room. It worked… and they are all happy now. They are sharing the space and at peace with each other. The dominating feline literally has learned to share, and share joyfully. Thank you for showing me how to be the kind of guardian that shows them the meaning of a loving home, with a return of purring, blissful companions.

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  21. patricia   September 12, 2012 at 8:23 am  

    I have a few questions and am desperate for some advice. I have been doing TNR in our neighborhood for five years. We were told by promises, spay today, and alley cat this was the best way to manage a feral colony, so out of our own pockets we began to TNR. Every time a new cat shows up we trap and pay out of our own pockets for it to be altered and get its shots. We have managed to socialize and find homes for 6 of these cats over the past couple years, but most we have to release. Recently our neighbor decided to start trapping and destroying these cats that we put tons of money and time into by having them spayed/neutered, getting them shots, and feeding. Not only are they trapping feral cats they are trapping pets (I mean declawed, totally tame, obviously pet cats). She has been nasty to me, but I have to be nice to her so she shows me the cats she trapped. She gives me the option of taking them inside to do something with them myself before she takes them away and does God knows what to them. It has made us and my two little daughters sick and a wreck because we have to decide what cats live and dies. If I do not take them inside she destroys them. Yesterday she brings me a pure breed siamese from her trap, so I take it over to the owner who says to me, “I can not take what this lady is doing because I just lost my father and the cat keeps escaping. Please take him or I am just going to have to let her destroy him.” Now I had to make the decision if this big lovey siamese lives or dies by the hands of this evil neighbor, so of course he is now in my back bedroom hoping for a foster family. I have my own house cats that we have rescued and do not let out. We can not take anymore. They claim not to want these cats in their yard, yet they are luring them over into their traps and into their yard with tuna and wet cat food. How is this even legal after we spent all this time and money because we were doing what we were told was the most humane and best way to manage a colony of feral/stray cats? We have offered to help them plant rue and mint to deter the cats, buy them car covers, buy them motion detector sprinklers, and buy them sprays to repel cats to help deter the cats from their yard. They do not want to hear it. They want us to stop feeding them because they think their plan of relocating and desposing of them will work better. This colony was about 20 when we moved in. They got into to trash and sprayed everywhere. Because of spaying/neutering and placing some of the more friendly ones in homes we have managed to get it down to around 8. They are not reproducing or spraying because they are fixed, and they do not get into trash because they are fed. I admit every spring more irresponsible pet owners drop off cats and we have to TNR a new crop. This has just gotten out of hand with the neighbors. They complained to my landlord about me feeding cats, but fortunately we asked him before we ever fed them, so he does not care. They spy on my porch at night to see how many cats I am feeding; therefore, how many still need trapped. By me feeding them I feel I am luring them to their deaths, so I have to stop. I am still confused how they think us doing TNR and feeding them is making them reproduce. Here is the problem before I stop feeding I have a two who come to my porch for feeding that we can pet and three kittens and a mommy cat someone dumped. I feel since they are the ones that have depended on us much of their life for food and shelter that I owe it to them to get them out of here since it is now unsafe for them to live here. I know a sweet farm lady who actually loves cats for her farm and feeds them, I told her the situation here, and she offered to take the ones we tamed and fixed but still live outdoors. I heard relocating them is very dangerous for them. Is this safe for them to go to the farm? I can touch the mom cat and want to get her spayed, but how do I get all three of her babies who just run from us? I do not know what this neighbor thinks is going to happen to this colony of cats once nobody is continually fixing them, giving them shots or feeding them. They are just going to multiply endlessly. I can not reason with them and have given them pamphlets from alley cat to educate them, but it has not helped. I have called many places for help, but I guess what they are doing is legal. For TNR to work everyone has to be on board. There has to be some laws protecting these animals once they are spayed/neutered. This is hardly fair to the cats or the people putting out the money to help solve this vast problem by doing what they are told is the right thing to do, only to have someone else next to you trapping and destroying the same cats you have put money into.

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    1. Lee County Clowder   September 12, 2012 at 6:02 pm  

      Without any idea where you are I can’t give you too much help, since laws vary. But in most places, deliberately killing a neighbor’s pet is illegal. (although usually just a misdemeanor, more’s the pity)

      Does the rest of the neighborhood agree more with this person, or more with you? Any ideas? If this hater is in the minority, the best long term approach might be plain old ostracism, or at least everyone letting her(him?) know no one likes his actions.

      As far as relocating cats to a farm, barn cats can live pretty well, especially if they have food and shelter.. Moving the cats will be disruptive to them (obviously) but if they have a safe place to hide they should make the move without major problems. Certainly that is better than being trapped and killed.

      Have you talked to Alley Cat Allies (http://www.alleycat.org/)? Are there any local no-kill shelters? They might be able to give you some advice.

      PS: If this killer neighbor just suddenly decided to start killing cats, maybe something has gone badly wrong in his life. Not by any means trying to defend his actions, but that might be an approach to try to dial those folks down a notch or two. FWIW

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      1. patricia   September 13, 2012 at 9:52 am  

        Thank you for your response. It makes me feel better about taking a couple of them to the farm. I know they will be well taken care of and loved there by the lady who owns it. I am in Berkeley county WV. I have spoken to animal control and Alley Cat Allies. What they are doing seems to be legal. Alley Cat Allies seems to realize the need for laws in this area. I no longer feel comfortable using TNR if the cats you put money into are just getting trapped and killed. The four no kill shelters I have been able to locate are all full.
        The other neighbors think it is sad and wrong, but nobody wants a fight with them, including me. Just trying to solve the problem peacefully, so everyone is happy and the animals are treated humanely. My landlord suggested building a outdoor cat enclosure for a few of the tamer ones we have taken care of most of their lives. Is this humane to enclose these cats in a large structure? I am not sure how to go about even doing this so its cool in the summer and warm enough in the winter.
        I agree with you that they may be having a bad situation in their life at the moment. I have stayed nice to them and have kept on speaking terms with them. I honestly understand their concerns, but the answer is not killing or hurting these animals.
        The other problem is now that they started removing the cats we have had spayed/neutered, I have started noticing new cats I have never seen before moving in; therefore, a new crop that needs TNR.

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        1. Lee County Clowder   September 14, 2012 at 8:25 am  

          We’re not surprised the no-kill shelters are full, especially right now. It is a little disturbing how many people refuse to neuter their kitties, and are then shocked, SHOCKED, to find a litter or two of kittens in their yard.

          As far as an enclosure, if there is enough room the cats should live there fine. A lot of people keep their cats indoors all the time (for reasons likely obvious to you right now) and a lot of them have an enclosed patio or cage available to the kitties. Just make sure there are places to climb and hide, and some shelter from the elements (and each other). Indeed, there are cat fences available so you could enclose your entire yard, if time, money, and random zoning and deed restrictions allow such a thing. Purrfect Fence (http://www.purrfectfence.com/) looks nice, but there are a lot of options. Search for “cat enclosure fencing” or something similar and you should have a lot of places to check out.

          The cats are living outside now, so as long as there is food and water and some shelter from sun, rain and the like, they should be able to handle the temperatures. We’re guessing you already have things like heated water bowls. You could always do things like adding a heated shelter or heated mats, or put a tarp on one side to block a north wind later on if needed.

          We agree that spending the effort to trap and neuter cats the neighbor is just going to kill seems a waste of time, money, and worry. We really hate to say “don’t bother”, but no other idea occurs to us.

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          1. patricia   September 14, 2012 at 11:52 am  

            Thank you very much for your response. Our own pet cats are always indoors. They were rescued cats that have not been outside since we took them in. I agree with you how disturbing it is that people refuse to spay/ neuter their pets than dump them when they are pregnant. There are so many places that offer cheap services for spay/neuter there is honestly no excuse. We are going to find an enclosure to keep the three semi feral ones left from my original colony as safe as we can. We will also provide for this mother cat and her babies that have seemingly been abandoned, and of course have her and her babies spayed/neutered. Thank you for all the great ideas to keep the few left safe outdoors.

  22. LMcAvoy   September 20, 2012 at 4:32 pm  

    This Woodsman guy is a psychopath. He posts all over the US of A on sites, blogs, newspapers. Just ignore him. He has some crazy amount of time to spend researching, searching and posting all over with his pathological points about dangers, destructions and other various “compelling” information he has gathered in regards to cats. Woodsman – no need to respond, but do look up “Psychopath” and look up and spend some time getting some sort of therapy.

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    1. christy   December 13, 2012 at 2:44 pm  

      I agree. Woodsman needs to understand that dogs and horses are also nonindigenous. For that matter, so are people. Cats pose no threat to humans so why is being nonindigenous a problem? There are those who have made the case that had people not been superstitious about cats during the dark ages, they would have kept the rat population down and prevented the Black Plague. I know for sure no self respecting rat or other rodent would dare cross my threshold.

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  23. Meredith   January 25, 2013 at 11:15 am  

    Humans are the worst and most invasive species on the planet. We rape and pillage this plane everyday. We kill everything. Humans are over populated and out of control with their superiority complex. Animals are just trying to survive and the have right to do so without evil humans interfering in their lives.

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  24. Woodsman is a dickhead   December 22, 2013 at 6:17 pm  

    Woodsman – go to hell you dick!

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  25. Shirley Tomlin   April 6, 2014 at 5:34 pm  

    Dear Woodsman,
    In our neighborhood we collectively TNR feral cats and several indivuduals take care of the released cats. We provide food and shelter for the cats (a garage, a basement, etc) and each household involved has a feral colony that “lives” in our yards. This means they may roam around during the day, but they return in the evening for the food they know will be there and make use of the shelter provided. By stoping reproduction cycle and working together as a neighborhood, we have cut the feral population significantly.
    In our city cruelty to cats is a violation of the law the same as cruelty to dogs, and as a community we are committed to protect these beautiful animals. In turn, we see few rodunts or snakes and we get to enjoy watching these semi-wild animals at play. It is better than TV! Almost as good asd wild kingdom. Also, taking care of the feral cats is an opportunity to teach our children to act responsibly and with care toward all animals including the human one.
    Just wanted to share a different perspective with you. We are proud of our success with feral cats. Thx for reading this.

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We regret that Jackson does not answer questions posted in the comments. This is due to his demanding schedule and the high volume of requests he receives. But most importantly, since he has not met your cat, it would be contrary to his approach for him to give specific personalized advice for your specific situation. That being said, general questions and issues are addressed throughout this blog, in his book Cat Daddy and of course, the show My Cat From Hell.

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